Comments on: What makes Magento so hard to learn http://activecodeline.com/what-makes-magento-so-hard-to-learn Blog site of Branko Ajzele, web application developer. Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:45:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Lee Saferite http://activecodeline.com/what-makes-magento-so-hard-to-learn/comment-page-1#comment-4377 Lee Saferite Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:02:32 +0000 http://activecodeline.com/?p=137#comment-4377 Ok, so I call baloney. I use Eclipse/PDT every day for PHP development and lately every day has been Magento development. I can easily go into any hph source file, be it .php or .phtml, and type '$object = new ' then hit Ctrl-Space and bang, every class that is in my project is listed. Every one. AND. If I'm on a something (variable, method, etc) that Eclipse knows what it is and I hit F3, it takes me to the relevent code. So, if I'm in an class definition and I put my cursor on the exteds class name and hit F3, suddenly Eclipse takes me to the relevent class file. <br><br>Now, Magento development being hard is a whole other ball of wax. They have no (useful) documentation, they use so much voodoo you can never be sure exactly what is going on, and they don't really provide much programming help on the forums. Personally, I hate how hard it is. But, it is providing a huge head start for our code, so I live with it. Ok, so I call baloney. I use Eclipse/PDT every day for PHP development and lately every day has been Magento development. I can easily go into any hph source file, be it .php or .phtml, and type '$object = new ' then hit Ctrl-Space and bang, every class that is in my project is listed. Every one. AND. If I'm on a something (variable, method, etc) that Eclipse knows what it is and I hit F3, it takes me to the relevent code. So, if I'm in an class definition and I put my cursor on the exteds class name and hit F3, suddenly Eclipse takes me to the relevent class file.

Now, Magento development being hard is a whole other ball of wax. They have no (useful) documentation, they use so much voodoo you can never be sure exactly what is going on, and they don't really provide much programming help on the forums. Personally, I hate how hard it is. But, it is providing a huge head start for our code, so I live with it.

]]> By: branko http://activecodeline.com/what-makes-magento-so-hard-to-learn/comment-page-1#comment-3360 branko Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:33:12 +0000 http://activecodeline.com/?p=137#comment-3360 Josh, I appreciate the comment but I don't appreciate when some people take some things out of the concept and present them like something else. Like you did by quoting me in the comment above. Let me repeat it one more time... "Object oriented programming is no holly grail, no rocket science...". The way i see it, biggest problem with OOP is the application design (architecture), because whatever you do, you are never quite there yet... Understanding OOP principles (at least those of languages like PHP) is simply matter of time and will and average sanity. That said, this post is written few months ago, when I was starting out with Magento. If you take a massiveness of Magento application and PHP's loose typing characteristics of a language, then explain it to me how easy can be memorizing tens or hundreds of classes and methods to get you around since even the best IDE solutions cant cope with connecting the dots to do a decent code completion. Not to mention complete nonexistence of decent debugging solutions. Once again, I appreciate the comment, but plese think before you trash someone. Wish you all the best... Cheers. Josh, I appreciate the comment but I don’t appreciate when some people take some things out of the concept and present them like something else. Like you did by quoting me in the comment above. Let me repeat it one more time…

“Object oriented programming is no holly grail, no rocket science…”. The way i see it, biggest problem with OOP is the application design (architecture), because whatever you do, you are never quite there yet… Understanding OOP principles (at least those of languages like PHP) is simply matter of time and will and average sanity.

That said, this post is written few months ago, when I was starting out with Magento. If you take a massiveness of Magento application and PHP’s loose typing characteristics of a language, then explain it to me how easy can be memorizing tens or hundreds of classes and methods to get you around since even the best IDE solutions cant cope with connecting the dots to do a decent code completion. Not to mention complete nonexistence of decent debugging solutions.

Once again, I appreciate the comment, but plese think before you trash someone.

Wish you all the best… Cheers.

]]> By: branko http://activecodeline.com/what-makes-magento-so-hard-to-learn/comment-page-1#comment-5055 branko Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:33:00 +0000 http://activecodeline.com/?p=137#comment-5055 Josh, I appreciate the comment but I don't appreciate when some people take some things out of the concept and present them like something else. Like you did by quoting me in the comment above. Let me repeat it one more time... "Object oriented programming is no holly grail, no rocket science...". The way i see it, biggest problem with OOP is the application design (architecture), because whatever you do, you are never quite there yet... Understanding OOP principles (at least those of languages like PHP) is simply matter of time and will and average sanity. That said, this post is written few months ago, when I was starting out with Magento. If you take a massiveness of Magento application and PHP's loose typing characteristics of a language, then explain it to me how easy can be memorizing tens or hundreds of classes and methods to get you around since even the best IDE solutions cant cope with connecting the dots to do a decent code completion. Not to mention complete nonexistence of decent debugging solutions. Once again, I appreciate the comment, but plese think before you trash someone. Wish you all the best... Cheers. Josh, I appreciate the comment but I don’t appreciate when some people take some things out of the concept and present them like something else. Like you did by quoting me in the comment above. Let me repeat it one more time…

“Object oriented programming is no holly grail, no rocket science…”. The way i see it, biggest problem with OOP is the application design (architecture), because whatever you do, you are never quite there yet… Understanding OOP principles (at least those of languages like PHP) is simply matter of time and will and average sanity.

That said, this post is written few months ago, when I was starting out with Magento. If you take a massiveness of Magento application and PHP’s loose typing characteristics of a language, then explain it to me how easy can be memorizing tens or hundreds of classes and methods to get you around since even the best IDE solutions cant cope with connecting the dots to do a decent code completion. Not to mention complete nonexistence of decent debugging solutions.

Once again, I appreciate the comment, but plese think before you trash someone.

Wish you all the best… Cheers.

]]> By: joshribakoff http://activecodeline.com/what-makes-magento-so-hard-to-learn/comment-page-1#comment-3359 joshribakoff Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:58:21 +0000 http://activecodeline.com/?p=137#comment-3359 "Object oriented programming is no holly grail, no rocket science it all about creating object instances, running methods on those instances and getting or setting instance properties. And that’s it!" Yeah all those guys like Grady Booch didn't know what they were talking about “Object oriented programming is no holly grail, no rocket science it all about creating object instances, running methods on those instances and getting or setting instance properties. And that’s it!”

Yeah all those guys like Grady Booch didn’t know what they were talking about

]]> By: joshribakoff http://activecodeline.com/what-makes-magento-so-hard-to-learn/comment-page-1#comment-5054 joshribakoff Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:58:00 +0000 http://activecodeline.com/?p=137#comment-5054 "Object oriented programming is no holly grail, no rocket science it all about creating object instances, running methods on those instances and getting or setting instance properties. And that’s it!" Yeah all those guys like Grady Booch didn't know what they were talking about “Object oriented programming is no holly grail, no rocket science it all about creating object instances, running methods on those instances and getting or setting instance properties. And that’s it!”

Yeah all those guys like Grady Booch didn’t know what they were talking about

]]> By: Magento Crashing Apache on WinXP XAMPP with PDO Enabled « Mike Smullin http://activecodeline.com/what-makes-magento-so-hard-to-learn/comment-page-1#comment-3326 Magento Crashing Apache on WinXP XAMPP with PDO Enabled « Mike Smullin Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:00:23 +0000 http://activecodeline.com/?p=137#comment-3326 [...] been using it for years. Something bigger is definitely going on here, because my Eclipse PDT 3.2 IDE was having trouble with Magento, too. Contrary to what you might think, from what I’ve read it looks like it’s actually [...] [...] been using it for years. Something bigger is definitely going on here, because my Eclipse PDT 3.2 IDE was having trouble with Magento, too. Contrary to what you might think, from what I’ve read it looks like it’s actually [...]

]]> By: Kaleem Mohammed http://activecodeline.com/what-makes-magento-so-hard-to-learn/comment-page-1#comment-3270 Kaleem Mohammed Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:41:12 +0000 http://activecodeline.com/?p=137#comment-3270 Hi Branko, Reading your post made be think that you are actually posting my views on Magento. It has been just couple weeks working with Magento and all I was trying to do is setup a development environment using a good IDE so that I could better understand its architecture. Although screencasts from Magento site did help me in tweaking presentation layer, there wasn't any help in getting to the core API structure. After attempting to collect information from Magento forums all I found is that there are so many others like us seeking for some help in setting up development environment. The only response from Magento team was that they use ZendStudio. It would be nice to know if any of you have succeeded in setting up a proper development environment. It would be a great help to learn from your success story in overcoming these frustrations. Happy Coding! Hi Branko,

Reading your post made be think that you are actually posting my views on Magento.

It has been just couple weeks working with Magento and all I was trying to do is setup a development environment using a good IDE so that I could better understand its architecture. Although screencasts from Magento site did help me in tweaking presentation layer, there wasn’t any help in getting to the core API structure.

After attempting to collect information from Magento forums all I found is that there are so many others like us seeking for some help in setting up development environment. The only response from Magento team was that they use ZendStudio.

It would be nice to know if any of you have succeeded in setting up a proper development environment. It would be a great help to learn from your success story in overcoming these frustrations.

Happy Coding!

]]> By: Kaleem Mohammed http://activecodeline.com/what-makes-magento-so-hard-to-learn/comment-page-1#comment-5053 Kaleem Mohammed Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:41:00 +0000 http://activecodeline.com/?p=137#comment-5053 Hi Branko, Reading your post made be think that you are actually posting my views on Magento. It has been just couple weeks working with Magento and all I was trying to do is setup a development environment using a good IDE so that I could better understand its architecture. Although screencasts from Magento site did help me in tweaking presentation layer, there wasn't any help in getting to the core API structure. After attempting to collect information from Magento forums all I found is that there are so many others like us seeking for some help in setting up development environment. The only response from Magento team was that they use ZendStudio. It would be nice to know if any of you have succeeded in setting up a proper development environment. It would be a great help to learn from your success story in overcoming these frustrations. Happy Coding! Hi Branko,

Reading your post made be think that you are actually posting my views on Magento.

It has been just couple weeks working with Magento and all I was trying to do is setup a development environment using a good IDE so that I could better understand its architecture. Although screencasts from Magento site did help me in tweaking presentation layer, there wasn’t any help in getting to the core API structure.

After attempting to collect information from Magento forums all I found is that there are so many others like us seeking for some help in setting up development environment. The only response from Magento team was that they use ZendStudio.

It would be nice to know if any of you have succeeded in setting up a proper development environment. It would be a great help to learn from your success story in overcoming these frustrations.

Happy Coding!

]]> By: Unirgy http://activecodeline.com/what-makes-magento-so-hard-to-learn/comment-page-1#comment-1229 Unirgy Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:19:32 +0000 http://activecodeline.com/?p=137#comment-1229 Branko: If you could get hold of ZendStudio IDE 5.5 (before they went Eclipse) - it handled pretty well the class structure of Magento. Branko: If you could get hold of ZendStudio IDE 5.5 (before they went Eclipse) – it handled pretty well the class structure of Magento.

]]> By: Unirgy http://activecodeline.com/what-makes-magento-so-hard-to-learn/comment-page-1#comment-5052 Unirgy Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:19:00 +0000 http://activecodeline.com/?p=137#comment-5052 Branko: If you could get hold of ZendStudio IDE 5.5 (before they went Eclipse) - it handled pretty well the class structure of Magento. Branko: If you could get hold of ZendStudio IDE 5.5 (before they went Eclipse) – it handled pretty well the class structure of Magento.

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